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"Bleeding chunks" and "essential collection" reconciledI see the point of view from both previous reviewers.1. First off, I understand how to a Wagner "fan" or "lover," theres something missing here. I experienced this with John William's music - I loved the star wars and et music, and when I got a two cd "essential collection" of JW, I was disappointed by the cuts/artificial reverb/changed tempos etc... in the tracks that I knew well. However, the tracks I didn't know well sounded fine, until I got the real soundtrack - i.e. Schindler's list - the…
I see the point of view from both previous reviewers.1. First off, I understand how to a Wagner "fan" or "lover," theres something missing here. I experienced this with John William's music - I loved the star wars and et music, and when I got a two cd "essential collection" of JW, I was disappointed by the cuts/artificial reverb/changed tempos etc... in the tracks that I knew well. However, the tracks I didn't know well sounded fine, until I got the real soundtrack - i.e. Schindler's list - the tempo waaay to fast etc...2. Secondly, I'm no wagner critic/fan, so I have a different perscpective on him. I love this "essential collection" set, and think that some of the pieces are incredibly moving. I cannot distinguish where the piece has been chopped up, etc... So, I guess for someone not that aquainted with Wagner, this is a perfect set. But for someone that has listened to whole operas from Wagner, this is probably like going back from some the entire "Empire Strikes Back" album to a weird recording of the imperial march...In conclusion, I would highly recommend this album to someone interested in Wagner, but for someone that already knows him well, this is by no means an "essential collection."
Written by Susan Godley
Bleeding ChunksWhat the Amazon.com reviewer said about "Wagner served in bleeding chunks" is absolutely right.Now let's "dissect" that comment, shall we? Suppose you wanted to buy COMPLETE versions of all the operas represented on this double-CD. It would cost a few hundred dollars, right? When faced with that argument, this CD, for those who only want the best, makes sense.However, suppose you decided to read Charles Dickens the same way? A couple chapters out of A Tale of Two Cities, maybe 3 from Oliver Tw…
What the Amazon.com reviewer said about "Wagner served in bleeding chunks" is absolutely right.Now let's "dissect" that comment, shall we? Suppose you wanted to buy COMPLETE versions of all the operas represented on this double-CD. It would cost a few hundred dollars, right? When faced with that argument, this CD, for those who only want the best, makes sense.However, suppose you decided to read Charles Dickens the same way? A couple chapters out of A Tale of Two Cities, maybe 3 from Oliver Twist, a half dozen each from Great Expectations and David Copperfield (sort of equivalent to Der Ring), and then a few pages ripped out of Bleak House. What would you have? Certainly great writing, but no context. The writing would prove unfulfilling and deeply lacking, certainly a disappointing choice.Well, this "Essential Wagner Collection" is even worse. Not only does it slice and dice story lines, but it often doesn't even give you entire scenes; artistic glory and achievement is tossed aside in favor of a sloppy fade-out. And this isn't the exception, it's the rule.Out of the 27 tracks on this double-CD, an egregious 19 are listed (covertly, and in teeny tiny letters) as "extract"s, often with unsettling fades and cuts on both ends.And of the recordings that aren't "extract"s, the highly-touted Ride of the Valkries just doesn't deliver (at least, not in Antal Dorati's sloppy reading of it), and the magnificent version of Siegfried's Funeral March is ruined by being chopped off in the worst of places.I really regret buying this CD. All in all, it adds up to a musical Frankenstein; made of the choicest parts, but hideous when stitched together in such a haphazard and disrespectful way.
Written by A. Tohline "Tambora"
Track listing Edit
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CD 1 : Twilight of the Gods: The Essential Wagner Collection
format: number: title: number name artist hh:mm:ss 1Die Walküre (The Valkyrie), opera, WWV 86b: Ride of the Valkyries?:??2Die Götterdämmerung (Twilight of the Gods), opera, WWV 86d: Siegfried's Funeral March?:??3Lohengrin, opera, WWV 75: Prelude to Act 3?:??4Der fliegende Holländer (The Flying Dutchman), opera, WWV 63: Overture?:??5Der fliegende Holländer (The Flying Dutchman), opera, WWV 63: Sailor's Chorus?:??6Das Rheingold (The Rhine Gold), opera, WWV 86a: Journey Down to Nibelheim?:??7Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg, opera, WWV 96: Overture?:??8Tannhäuser, opera, WWV 70: Overture?:??9Tannhäuser, opera, WWV 70: Entry of the Guests?:??10Tannhäuser, opera, WWV 70: Tannhäuser's Pilgrimage?:??11Siegfried, opera, WWV 86c: Act 3 Orchestral Interlude?:??12Die Götterdämmerung (Twilight of the Gods), opera, WWV 86d: Siegfried's Rhine Journey?:??13Die Götterdämmerung (Twilight of the Gods), opera, WWV 86d: Finale?:??14Das Rheingold (The Rhine Gold), opera, WWV 86a: Enty of the Gods Into Valhalla?:?? -
unknown format 2 : Twilight of the Gods: The Essential Wagner Collection
format: number: title: number name artist hh:mm:ss 1Lohengrin, opera, WWV 75: Prelude to Act 1?:??2Lohengrin, opera, WWV 75: Bridal Chorus?:??3Parsifal, opera, WWV 111: Prelude to Act 1?:??4Parsifal, opera, WWV 111: Good Friday Music?:??5Parsifal, opera, WWV 111: Transformation Scene?:??6Tannhäuser, opera, WWV 70: Venusberg Music?:??7Tannhäuser, opera, WWV 70: Pilgrims' Chorus?:??8Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg, opera, WWV 96: Prelude to Act 3?:??9Das Rheingold (The Rhine Gold), opera, WWV 86a: Vision of Valhalla (Scene 2 Introduction)?:??10Siegfried Idyll, for small orchestra in E major, WWV 103?:??Play Buy track 11Siegfried, opera, WWV 86c: Brünhilde's Awakening?:??12Tristan und Isolde, opera, WWV 90: Prelude to Act 3?:??13Tristan und Isolde, opera, WWV 90: Death of Isolde?:??
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